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This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. Although Sultans didn't used to lawfully wed their wives, Birinci Kadins were considered and treated just like lawfully wedded wives. Address: Raziye was born 1519, as daughter of sleyman and flane hatun. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? About the recently revived edit war on the Origins of Mahidevran, I would like to clear that I am not a descendant of Mahidevran, I just came across the Genealogy document and thought it was rather convincing one. Thank you. (besides, you don't mention Turkish among the languages you speak)--Phso2 (talk) 10:22, 25 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Word Birinci Kadin means "First Lady" as in (respected) wife of reigning king, not "First Woman". [22] Nurbanu died in December 1583. Reply[reply], Sort it out. Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.203.190.128 (talk) 20:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2 Hi, I am Worldandhistory. For the first and only time in the Ottoman Empire, a female sultan exchanged letters with a king. In her second letter to Sigismund Augustus, written in response to his letter, Hurrem expresses in superlative terms her joy at hearing that the king is in good health and that he sends assurances of his sincere friendliness and attachment towards Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. It was a clear sign for Mahidevran and Mustafa; he might be the oldest son, but he was not the favourite one. Why popular theatre plays describe her character despite strangers of all types being forbidden into the harem? Hatun is used for every other lady in Turkish and Persian language. Whether this phrase refers to a warm friendship between the Polish King and Ottoman Haseki, or whether it suggests a closer relation, the degree of their intimacy definitely points to a special link between the two states at the time. Please stop making assumptions and accept the facts, this article needs to be changed to only Mahidevran, and all the theories and speculations, and doubted accounts can remain in an subtitle, because "doubt" and "speculation" do nothing to educate and help people. [11], Even the reports of the Venetian ambassadors (baili) at Suleiman's court, the most extensive and objective first-hand Western source on Hurrem to date, were often filled with the authors own interpretations of the harem rumours. I shall wait for your response until few days then revert your changes, if you are unable to prove that this "Abdullah" was indeed a slave and not a free person, in which case, M would have been a "gifted wife" (married to S not legally but rather tough Nikah 'urfi). The precise year that she entered the harem is unknown, but scholars believe that she became Suleiman's concubine around the time he became sultan in 1520. hurrem. For the record, you still failed to answer my question, rephrasing; why in some theatre plays she's the only Hatun ranked consort who is erroneously addressed like Sultana? If he still insists, he can bring the source at the reliable sources noticeboard and ask for an opinion there. [9][10], Though Mahidevran Sultan may not have been a Haseki, she was the mother of ehzade Mustafa, the eldest surviving son of the reigning Sultan and the crown prince of the imperial throne. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. Circassian or Albanian? - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? The series follows the reign of Sultan Sleyman (r. 1520-1566), known in the West as Suleiman the Magnificent. Hurrem Sultan makes plans to get rid of ehzade Mustafa and his mother Mahidevran Sultan as she sees them as a threat for the throne. It is believed that Hurrem's influence contributed to Suleiman's decision. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. The use of "sultan" for a consort came with the title Haseki, because the full title was Haseki Sultan (Devletl smetlu (given name) Haseki Sultn Aliyyet'-n Hazretleri)that is why. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. I do NOT understand. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. I was wrong I admitted that and removed the contents sourced from the blog. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. 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WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. 18th century portrait of Hurrem Sultan kept at Topkap Palace. Your email address will not be published. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. I dont see why someone should expand these articles as seen from the title and the heated discussion on chief consort below that even sources are not enough and I just cant do such long discussions. [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. 12-14 George Street Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). [42], It is believed that Hurrem was a cunning, manipulative and stony-hearted woman who would execute anyone who stood in her way. Again, it's just my opinion I still oppose the change of title. For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. [23], Hurrem became the first consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. For Ukrainian language novels, see Osyp Nazaruk (1930) (English translation is available). You are not helping in maintaining the neutrality, rather imposing your opinions extracted from your sources. I even request the deletion of dubious page of her alleged father but you are not admitting that you may be wrong here. The source is "BBC your paintings". If you all come to an agreement earlier let me know. Moreover, she is referred to as "Mahidevran Sultan" in popular history books, TV series and touristic literature. She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. I began this website in 2013 because I wanted to share these women's amazing stories. Please be fair. Therefore they can't be used. According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski (died 1661), who researched the subject in Turkey, Hurrem was seemingly born to a man surnamed Lisovski, who was an Orthodox priest of Ruthenian origin. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Mustafa became verypopular in the region under the guidance of his mother. [3][11][12] While Hrrem became Suleiman's new favorite and later his legal wife, Mahidevran Sultan retained the status of the crowned mother of Suleiman's eldest son,[13] and became Suleiman's "first wife". After her brother Sari Selim's 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. Popular culture is defined from what had actually happened in the past, the existence of this woman wasn't thousand of years ago that we can assume the popular culture has adopted "myths". Other sources indicate that Mahidevran is of Abkhaz origin.Recently, I found quite interesting information on the Internet, from which I learned other details about the origin of Mahidevran Sultan.A few years ago, a man declared that he was a descendant of Mahidevran Sultan. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. I asked you to provide a source calling M's father Abdullah a Slave. Though Hurrem must have been called Sultana first, the Ottoman dynamics simply couldn't allow such discrepancy within the Harem that once the title "Sultan" is started being used for favorite wives, that they don't called the first favorite with the same title. While "XXX son of Abdullah" maybe a son of a convert slave, you cannot say that Khalid son of Abdullah or Hussein son of Abdullah are also slaves. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. "Sultan" had many meanings throughout history and did reflect the status and the way of interacting of the times; if we want to accurately depict history then, at last, she's a "hatun". This site uses cookies to improve your experience and to help show content that is more relevant to your interests. p. 401. Including those of John Freely. Hurrem eventually achieved power, influencing the politics of the Ottoman Empire. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. Dear Phso 2,I think i have made the issue clear which is about the royal woman "Mahidevran" and you shuould not have any doubt or confusion or Question regarding this subject. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. The Ottoman Empire, 13001650: The Structure of Power. And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. As we can clearly see from your contribution list. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], She was an Albanian; her father, Abdullah Recai was a musician and her brother was Nakkashan Adem. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. Amasya was one of the farthest provinces from the capital. [15], Roxelana, called Hurrem Sultan by the Ottomans, probably entered the harem around seventeen years of age. Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.0.179 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], If the modifiers of this page can identify this reference, then please update. Around 1530, Mustafa was appointed to govern Manisa, as a part of his education and old Turkish tradition. You can infer and speculate and theorize all you want, but history is history and I find it highly disrespectful and arrogant that you think your abstractions are worth more than the reality of events. My name is Moniek and I am from the Netherlands. You did not saw that did you? [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. Therefore, Suleiman had to announce that he sent Mustafa to the Persian border for safety reasons. Invalid memorial. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. She had been a servant in the household of Hanerli Fatma Sultan, daughter of ehzade Mahmud, son of Sultan Bayezid II. In the end, she found herself in Manisa as one of the women in the Suleimans harem. If that is wrong, Wikipedia should never ever cite an interview source in any other article as well. The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. Thanks to her intelligence, she acted as Suleiman's chief adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and international politics. Prominent Ukrainian writer Pavlo Zahrebelny describes Hurrem as "an intelligent, kind, understanding, openhearted, candid, talented, generous, emotional and grateful woman who cares about the soul rather than the body; who is not carried away with ordinary glimmers such as money, prone to science and art; in short, a perfect woman."[43]. Mahidevran wasn't a legal wife nor became the mother of a reigning sultan; you should read your own sources too, since it specifies the differences between a concubine and a legal wife.190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Sorry I am not making excuses I just refuse to believe that a "Brinci Kadin" wasn't called Sultana when she was serving as a mother of heir apparent and living in the Harem the same time title "Sultan" was started being used for Sultan's consorts. Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. 113.203.146.216 (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Phso2, this debate seems to be infinitely long, and diverting the focus from this article to Peirce's book. And it's not "my" idea of history, I'm respecting the facts; if anyone's fabricating their own fantasy is you with your admitted speculations and possibilities.. Don't even start to talk about facts when the come from a theatre play. [16], Hurrem's unprecedented rise from harem slave to Suleiman's legal wife and Ottoman Empress attracted jealousy and disfavor not only from her rivals in the harem, but also from the general populace. There was a seal on the back of the letter. Also I would like to repeat a point I made earlier, the interview with her alleged descendant cannot be overlooked. 256 0 15. In her first short letter to Sigismund II, Hurrem expresses her highest joy and congratulations to the new king on the occasion of his ascension to the Polish throne after the death of his father Sigismund I the Old in 1548. 113.203.158.58 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I request a change of title, to revert it back to its original name (which was only "Mahidevran") and maintain its protected status. We cannot overlook them. Not hesitating for a second thought, he offered his beautiful daughter, as a gift, to the young prince." And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. On the contrary, I sympathize with Mahidevran Hatun. Not interested? [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. Please don't get personal here it's just a talk page. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. Retrieverlove (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "[] and the Sultan's favorite or chief consorts changed to Sultan []. Interviews are constantly being used in Wikipedia for every notable person, why neglect this one? [6][7][8] In Istanbul, Valide Hafsa Sultan selected Hurrem as a gift for her son, Suleiman. The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. Note that I'm not saying that Mahidevran was not chief consort before the title Haseki came into use, but it's clear that she didn't continue to hold the title. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. [33] Her rehabilitation had been possible after the death of Hurrem in 1558. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. Phone: His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. Categories: 1500 births. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) This King (Sultan) did not have many successors left by 1511, for his only surviving son was Prince Sulieman (who later became Suleiman the Magnificent). [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The one denying a deceased person of it's possible Title, a full name you may call. 113.203.190.165 (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why did popular culture assume, for example, that Hurrem was participant in the executions of Ibrahim Pasha and Mustafa? Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. In 1541, when Mehmet (Hrrems first son) reached the proper age to be local governor, tensionsbetween two women rose again. In his 1551 letter to Sigismund II concerning the embassy of Piotr Opaliski, Suleiman wrote that the Ambassador had seen "Your sister and my wife." Later, Hurrem became the first woman to remain in the sultan's court for the duration of her life. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply], The page Mahidevran Sultan should be moved to Mahidevran Glbahar Hatun because Mahidevran was never a concubine or a Haseki Sultan and Hrrem Sultan was the first Haseki Sultan.--Retrieverlove 1:09, 22 June 2014, According to Leslie P. Peirce, prior to the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hrrem Sultan, all the Ottoman consorts carried an alternative royal title, "Hatun".But Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). The Ringling Museum in Sarasota, Florida, purchased the original or a copy around 1930. For the series' last season, she is portrayed by Turkish actress Vahide Perin. Try google, or any other Deep Web search engine, you can see dozens if not hundreds of books, journals and non-commercial websites that refferred to Mahidevran as Kadin or Sultan (sources dating back to 17th century - I say this because you probably would say they have been written by Turkish soap opera's fans) whereas Gulfem, Fulane, and Gulnisa, all consorts are mentioned by title Hatun. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. There are reasons to believe that these two letters were more than just diplomatic gestures, and that Suleiman's references to brotherly or fatherly feelings were not a mere tribute to political expediency. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. Hurrem gave birth to her first son Mehmed in 1521 (who died in 1543) and then to four more sons, destroying Mahidevran's status as the mother of the sultan's only son. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. Who were her parents? This tradition was called Sancak Beylii. Check your inbox or spam folder to confirm your subscription. 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