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Lynne. As my mother was only receiving income for the first 3 months of the year and we made a quarterly payment to the CRA, my expectation is that the tax liability for 2018 will be very small or may even involve a refund to the estate. This is clearly a "screw you, this works for us" policy on behalf of the banks.Keeping detailed records makes sense. Did the TD bank error in allowing this as she was only one of three executors? The problem we now have is that while we can see the account online, we are not able to make any payments from it for utilities and rent prior to moving her stuff out of the apartment. Thank you. An estate account is a financial tool used to manage the estate of a decedent. Is there a time limit on how long an estate account can stay open? Your summary here seems to say that you've really wrapped up everything except for that final tax bill, so there is no reason for you to have two accounts open anymore.As for resistance from the bank, there shouldn't be any. I will likely receive a company pension retroactively owed to my husband. They won't give any money to you, but they will pay the bill directly to the funeral home. Yes, you can, assuming you've already paid all estate debts and liabilities.Lynne. Since I haven't heard from the bank I have taken the money she had in there and put it in a separate account at my bank and it will sit in there until everything is done. We also offer guidance on tax strategies to maximize your family's wealth over time, managing assets, setting up trusts, and developing estate plans that cross jurisdictions. The money belongs in his estate, which has to be used to pay off any debts or taxes he might owe. She did have a will but unfortunately it was not signed. Thx. This risk is eliminated (for the bank) by the probate process. Asked by: Ozella Braun | Last update: February 9, 2022. If you have provided a notarial copy of the will and a notarial copy of the death certificate, that should be enough for the bank to establish that you are the executor. You are the one with the liability and the responsibility so tell them to back off and let you do your job. I certainly know plenty of executors who have online access to their estate accounts. I'm in Ontario, btw. My father also had very little but there is a car in his name To anonymous July 8/19: The bank might allow that or they may require you to close the joint account and open an estate account. Waste of time.It takes sometimes up to a year or more to probate a Will, but bills need to be paid before that. I have had a couple cheques come to me for the estate. One way to handle this is to have a separate bank account opened after the person's death, which is referred to as an estate account. I have yet to close her personal bank account - this is a minimal cheque ($200) and it seems RIDICULOUS to have to go through all of this. Mum's UK state pension was overpaid by 1 week, having finally received notice of the amount, I now have to reimburse that myself because RBC refuses. The other financial company with all the investments left, did not require probate and it was a significant sum. Thank you for your answer! The 2nd was sent in September from a different lawyer and got "lost in the mail", it never occurred to me with the pandemic and my work to ask to pick it up, I also didn't clue in that she had changed lawyers for the 3rd time without telling me. Either you were joint executors, or one was named executor and the other as alternate. Srnicek said most brokers predict interest rates will continue to rise in the first quarter of 2023, with the first Bank of Canada announcement on the key interest rate set for Jan. 23. My father passed away in June. Thanks Lynne! I know you want it to just be easy but there are procedures built into our system to protect people. Find more information at Canada Pension Plan Death Benefits, or call Service Canada at 1-800-277-9914. Clip: "If you're an executor, however, you can open the [estate] account at any time once you take charge of the estate. Thanks for your opinions. I am in the process of opening an estate account for these commissions to go into and need to know if the funds will be accessible to me for paying bills & mortgage etc. It's always a guessing game.The duty on the executors is to examine all options and go with what makes the most sense to them. Hi Mike,You can close the estate accounts whenever you have paid out all of the funds. And has instructed the last lawyer to not do anything even though he's the one who sent it without tracking by regular mail. DO any banks allow online access to an estate account? The house just had a major fire and two of the executors want to sell the house as is (with the fire damage), settle with the insurance company and distribute the settlement proceeds as part of the estate. Other terms for estate representative include estate trustee, executor, liquidator and administrator. The final distribution (to myself) was confirmed last year by my lawyer, and I have since acquired some of the major assets left to me. I have set aside more than enough to cover that expense. I know, everyone thinks that this joint account thing works, but they find out differently when the parent passes away. (I was not asking any info on the account only about their requirements for an Estate Account) but she jumped on him immediately and would not listen. Giving Power of Attorney Hi Braeby,Who on earth are the people telling you that assets are in or out of the estate? The bank will simply remove the parent's name from the account upon receiving proof of death, leaving the surviving account holder with full access to and legal ownership of the account. I'm very glad you got this resolved quickly.Lynne. One other question, the estate's co-executor would like to make a cash payment to a former care worker as recognition for her dedication. Subject Matter Expert/Leader in Portfolio . Unlimited free Global non-Scotiabank ABM withdrawals 6. They can object to them if they think the expenses are inappropriate.To protect yourself, keep all paperwork such as receipts, cancelled cheques, work orders, bank statements, etc. How do I go about cashing this in to divide amongst our family?Tammy. Let's say your husband goes into the bank with the will and the bank releases the funds to him with no probate. Can the power of attorney for his will assume control of our mothers estate? Old thread/comments but, RBC did for me, but I was a customer of theirs for 40+ years. In fact I never actually did this as she was quite capable herself. Every bank will have an estate department that deals with death and living wills. Please help. Give the cheques to that person. There are RSP's that are to be transferred into the estate account to help pay for the funeral. My sister and I are both trustees for my mothers estate account. No, an executor absolutely should not deposit money into his personal account. There was no need to set up an estate bank account, as all three banks released the assets prior to my mother's death. The manager has told me that if she isn't available one of the other manager can help.Well, today is that day. Make sure you have provided everything they asked for. If they won't let you do it your way (which happens to be the correct way) then take all the funds out and put them in a different bank.Lynne. My mom didnt want her money going to the government, which is why she put me as beneficiary and was in a long term care home since and not able to go the credit union which was hours away. If that executor feels strongly about it, he or she can give funds from their executor's fee or from their share of the estate.Lynne. The bank will probably insist on having both signatures if the account is set up to require both signatures. Before the probate, I met with the bank stating they would set up an estate account, but it came to my understanding when the probate was finished they did not make an estate account yet. He had a will and I am his sole beneficiary. You need to complete a simple form with a confusing title: IRS Form SS-4, Application for Employer Identification Number. I am a retired Branch Manager from another financial institution, so her attitude did not sit well with me and basically this manger argued with me on the phone. Based on your comment in the second paragraph, how would this apply to funds held with a financial institution in an investment account?If I am executor of my father's estate, and he had an investment account of $500,000, does the financial institution have to pay it out to me as executor if I instruct them to?Isn't it basically standard practice for them to require a probated will before they will liquidate an investment account?Thanks. It's a fairly small estate, about 80k in RIFF's, chequing account. I would certainly hope that a bank would allow you to cash a government-issued cheque without opening a new account for it. She also signed up for internet service to manage dads estate. I am the executor of my step fathers estate. In fact, it's standard. I have 2 brothers and we were all named beneficiaries. By doing so, does this mean we now have to probate the will? Any advise? I was told by a lawyer that since the death happened in Quebec (where he was living), that I do not have to put the money through probate in BC, No, you should not need probate if the estate was handled in Quebec. Your authority to open the account arises from the will. It may seem inconvenient but there reasons for it, not the least of which is who is earning any interest on the account.Keep in mind that in law, that joint bank account belongs to your father, not to you, but that's a story for another post.Since I know nothing at all about your father, his marital situation, his assets, his debts, or anything else, I really couldn't say what you need to do. I cant help but think that the financial advisor was incompetent and forgot to file the paperwork as I have been told too many conflicting stories. Is there any reason why my sister would not be able to transfer to me half of the shares and cash in the investment account at this time? I have paid some substantial expenses out of my own pocket and now require pay back fairly quickly as my own bills are due. This was done after receiving the Probate Certificate which was scanned into the estate dept. It'll happen. I did not get a call back. I have since gone to CIBC and they had no issue with helping me without probate. The TD bank allowed my brother to even close accounts, and cash in GICs and made all assets payable to him. I suspect you may be right that someone has made a mistake and is stringing you a line of BS to try to cover it up. A joint account is not meant to be used to avoid probate so the courts have cracked down on it.In my view, given all of what I've said here, no, you'd never get them to pay the probate fee. On to your question. A sizable amount ended up here. I want to ask my question to the bank but can I get your consent first? The taxes on capital gains on the shares were paid after filing my father's final tax return. It's now over a year since our relative's DOD and delays are almost all due to the executor's actions or lack thereof. TD does not and all transactions must be processed in person. Instead of avoiding the probate fee, not only does the account still go into the estate, but you may also have to pay for a lawsuit to determine your mother's intention in making the account joint. I have yet to open an estate account and her accounts remain open. This does seem like a genuine mistake, but certainly a preventable one. Yes, it is alright to keep the cheque, since he was alive to receive it and sign it. Bank Accounts Notify the bank and identify yourself as the executor. The first stage of estate planning is preparation. I am the executor of my mom's estate. In retrospect I should have changed banks and set up an estate account. Will probate be necessary for this? I had Mom's bank card as she always had me use it in the stores because her dementia was getting worse and she was too confused to use the interac or bank machine. Keep in mind though that when you present your accounting to the beneficiaries at the end of the estate, your expenses must show up there. Thanks again! I happen to be a beneficery, as well as my 3 kids. If it's not going to the named beneficiaries, then it has to go to the estate and be taxed. . Do I still need to open up an estate account for tax reasons or other? Your mother's money wasn't safe because your brother is a crook. The probate has just been completed.The estate is entirely investments with no actual cash other than a monthly dividend cash flow. What about interest, death, separation/divorce etc.2 - He has advised us it will take 4 years before money can be distributed since Canada and the Ontario Ministry of Finance have a 4 year window to assess/reassess estates. Once you are proven to be the executor, the bank has no control over what you do with the money because they bear no liability. My sister lives in the same province as my deceased father. I don't know who works at the legal departments for banks, but they seem to know absolutely squat about estate paperwork. I've heard and seen horror stories from every bank and credit union.Note that I'm not talking about the trust company part of the banks. It depends on the situation. Hoping you can answer my question. at which point the funds will go to Estate. I can see them wanting you to show that you're the executor of the estate but as for requiring the original will, no I don't see it.You can just accept the requirement and let them copy it, or go somewhere else.The time is ripe for a trust company, credit union, or some small bank to fill this gap for consumers.Lynne, Two concerns: 1 - Our brother is the executor of fathers estate (death was Oct/17) of 1 to 1.5 million. All the risk of the account falls on the executor, not on the bank. Her girlfriend/partner of 30 years passed away. My mom passed in June, after living in long term care for just over a year. It's 2500.00. Unbelievable! If the house can sell at a higher price after repairs and restoration is there a duty to the beneficiaries to wait until it's repaired before selling? the bank of the deceased rejected an ATM deposit to the estate bank account. Currently, I'm asking the bank to add my name by changing the account to Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. In such a situation, the funds in a joint account would then transfer over to your child, who can then distribute the funds according to your wishes without having to go through probate. The bank is treating my moms registered accounts with no beneficiaries (rrsp/lif/rrif) as frozen until probate is received. Hi Lynne. That is not the law any longer, when we are talking about inter-generational accounts. If you don't have to go through probate, then by all means, don't. In particular, the bit about being listed as executor per CRA. I paid for the engraving on her headstone (she had a double one as Dad passed away in 2011 and we just needed to add the date of Mom's death). Is there a specific issue or problem or situation in your case that would be best served by having the lawyer control the funds? We went to a lawyer to arrange probate for my Aunt's Estate, and were planning to go to a bank to set up an estate bank account. I don't want to put any money through my personal bank account as I want to be able to keep organized records for when I do the final payout. I'd suggest sitting in with your banking officer and having a chat. Thanks for your help. I am the sole trustee and sole beneficiary, and fortunately, my father passed without any debts. Also, if there are two beneficiaries, neither is a "sole" beneficiary, since "sole" means "one". She asked each bank was this a problem, each said it was not a problem. Does the annual audit of accounts reflect this inaction? As well I received a cheque from a class action (veterans affairs). We put it on our firm letterhead. TD bank estate account has not been closed and balance on the account has been in the estate account for seven years. My elderly (74) sister has made 2 partial distributions (3 siblings equal parts) and left enough for the CRA in the Estate account (says she has applied for a certificate). I was told by a local lawyer that if there were no assets that there would be no point spending approximately $3500.00 dollars to become an administrator. If you waste or steal the estate, that's not on them; it's on you. Can you confirm when I take the tax bill to the bank it can be paid from his estate. In some states and in some estate situations, estate accounts are restricted. Hi Lynne, my deceased father's will dated 2015 names my Mother as a sole beneficiary of his entire estate, however does not list every single account he had. Have a great day. i have a will, am the executor, and can open an estate account if necessary. CIBC had no problem setting up an estate account on provision of the will; RBC would not do that without probate. Is it necessary to wait for probate to be completed? So out of her account I paid for her last medications so it is a fully paid now. My mother passed away in mid-March. If you did not obtain the permission of the court to step down, you are still the executor. Also, they finally said they will release all the funds via bank draft payable to the estate.? I am also sole executor of the will. I have made sure his loan and funeral expenses have been paid for and any government cheques have been paid back. 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